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I'm just wondering what the issue is? I can only see the scores and admit that I don't watch AU play in games and I am interested to know why AU can't seem to put it together? Offense, Defense, HC?
Hopefully I don't get called a troll, I'm just asking why AU is having so many issues and if there is a specific reason for it.
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What happened to Christian Westerman, kid was a beast in HS, he was committed to Texas for a while and you guys got him at the end. He was supposed to be the solution to our OT problems.
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Westerman has always practiced at guard since arriving at Auburn. Chizik mentioned him being injured a few weeks ago, but he didnt disclose what the injury was. Of course, Chizik has always released as little information as is humanly possible to the media and general public regarding injuries, suspensions, and just about anything else
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Sounds like a case of the 5 starism that FSU got into back from the early 2000s until Fisher took over. We were constantly getting top classes but full of thugs and talent that didn't match the scheme. Rough run of years.....
I understand the scheme learning on offense but how come they just don't go to a simple base offense to finish the season and prepare and learn during the off season. That's where I would probably call coaching into question. If the coach wasn't able to realize during the off season that the players didn't understand all these things he should of went in and put the brakes on the flashy stuff and went to a base offense. Every OC likes to run his own offense but when it's that new of a scheme I would think it would be introduced slowly, and there again that is the HC's responsibility in managing the team.
I don't know a lot about Chizik other than he won a NC two years ago and is now somehow now threatened with being fired. I would think that if AU was going to fire him it would have already been done. 8 games and 1 win. I would think if they were going to fire him it would had been done on Sunday or Monday.
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Originally posted by emeraldnole:
Sounds like a case of the 5 starism that FSU got into back from the early 2000s until Fisher took over. We were constantly getting top classes but full of thugs and talent that didn't match the scheme. Rough run of years.....
Maybe some truth to this but I also think it was an issue of not filling needs. Chizik and his staff have landed some top talent at some spots but didn't fill actual needs with others like at LB, CB to some degree and QB. To their credit, they thought they had the QB position covered but they relied upon a recruit from KY who had proven by his own actions that he was unreliable.
It's great to land the 5* and 4* studs but it's at least as important to fill your actual needs at certain positions with guys who can get the job done, regardless of star ranking.
I. Take a look at the roster.
50 Freshmen; 33 Sophomores; 19 Juniors; 13 Seniors
II. New Offensive Coordinator; team built on recruits to play "hurry up, trick 'em" offense; new system is a 21 personnel, Proset, run oriented scheme. Takes time to learn it.
III. New Defensive Coordinator; many of the same type personnel and scheme conflicts due to poor recruiting during Ted Roof's watch. New DC basses his new D on toughness and power in the front 7, that takes upper classmen.
IV. This one is just a feeling: We have signed a lot of recruits based on internet ratings instead of actual evaluation. That may be something requiring new evaluators. One thing's for sure. Whomever was evaluating QB's REALLY dropped the ball the last few years. Maybe that's why he took a pay cut to move back to ARK.
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Originally posted by blackpopsicle:
I. Take a look at the roster.
50 Freshmen; 33 Sophomores; 19 Juniors; 13 Seniors
II. New Offensive Coordinator; team built on recruits to play "hurry up, trick 'em" offense; new system is a 21 personnel, Proset, run oriented scheme. Takes time to learn it.
III. New Defensive Coordinator; many of the same type personnel and scheme conflicts due to poor recruiting during Ted Roof's watch. New DC basses his new D on toughness and power in the front 7, that takes upper classmen.
IV. This one is just a feeling: We have signed a lot of recruits based on internet ratings instead of actual evaluation. That may be something requiring new evaluators. One thing's for sure. Whomever was evaluating QB's REALLY dropped the ball the last few years. Maybe that's why he took a pay cut to move back to ARK.
Are you joking? Is this a troll?
Those young guys look worse today than they did earlier this year. That is coaching. Poor recruiting under Ted Roof? Which top 10 class didn't you like? You have the players (save at LB) but they aren't developing.
I agree with II. It will take time to learn the new O and more importantly develop the QB to run it. Malzahn left because he wasn't allowed to run his O.
If You Call 17 tackles in a National championship game average your completely insane
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McNeil was on the rise after he got to start after the kentucky game and should have been the defensive mvp in the bcsnc with 15 stops
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Originally posted by BamaFan1137:
.. Poor recruiting under Ted Roof? Which top 10 class didn't you like? ...
Uh, the ones that have dwindled to 19 and 13. Tell you what, when I want advice or validation from a Bammer, I'll ask you about it, since you are probably the top of the class. In the meantime, finish up your posting, the library's about to be filled up with early voters.
Originally posted by blackpopsicle:
Originally posted by BamaFan1137:
.. Poor recruiting under Ted Roof? Which top 10 class didn't you like? ...
Uh, the ones that have dwindled to 19 and 13. Tell you what, when I want advice or validation from a Bammer, I'll ask you about it, since you are probably the top of the class. In the meantime, finish up your posting, the library's about to be filled up with early voters.
Excellent point genius....because those guys are playing like the #13 and #19 class, right? Because 13th and 19th would be so awful? They are being coached down and I'm not the only one saying so. Every Auburn fan I know with triple digit IQ has made the exact same observation but to your credit, perhaps you don't qualify by that standard.
If it hurts your feelings to read a Bammers reply perhaps you should skip my posts or re-think posting on the internet until you're all grown up. Either way, whether you can acknowledge it or not, the 1-7 record your team is sporting pokes at the idea that perhaps Auburn has a coaching issue....sorry to be the bearer of unforeseen bad news.
Originally posted by BamaFan1137:
Originally posted by blackpopsicle:
Originally posted by BamaFan1137:
.. Poor recruiting under Ted Roof? Which top 10 class didn't you like? ...
Uh, the ones that have dwindled to 19 and 13. Tell you what, when I want advice or validation from a Bammer, I'll ask you about it, since you are probably the top of the class. In the meantime, finish up your posting, the library's about to be filled up with early voters.
Excellent point genius....because those guys are playing like the #13 and #19 class, right? Because 13th and 19th would be so awful? They are being coached down and I'm not the only one saying so. Every Auburn fan I know with triple digit IQ has made the exact same observation but to your credit, perhaps you don't qualify by that standard.
If it hurts your feelings to read a Bammers reply perhaps you should skip my posts or re-think posting on the internet until you're all grown up. Either way, whether you can acknowledge it or not, the 1-7 record your team is sporting pokes at the idea that perhaps Auburn has a coaching issue....sorry to be the bearer of unforeseen bad news.
No, it doesn't hurt my feelings, I just consider the source. I do find it interesting that so many Bammers come on this site to "advise" Aubrn people on what the program needs. It's laughable. I answered the guys question.
Now, go ask your Auburn friends how to think and they'll help you figure it all out after they tell you where to put the heavy boxes.
Originally posted by blackpopsicle:
No, it doesn't hurt my feelings, I just consider the source. I do find it interesting that so many Bammers come on this site to "advise" Aubrn people on what the program needs. It's laughable. I answered the guys question.
Now, go ask your Auburn friends how to think and they'll help you figure it all out after they tell you where to put the heavy boxes.
It's a message board Nancy. That's sort of what we do here. If you're naive enough to think Auburn fans don't do the same and have never "advised" Bammers in the past while we were struggling, I don't know for certain that you even qualify to carry heavy boxes.
Again, if it hurts your feelings, skip my posts. OTOH if lashing out helps you through the season, I'm happy to be your huckleberry.
You actually have a reasonable grasp of what is going on.
Unfortunately, II. directly reflects I. We simply lack a capable and experienced offensive line, not to mention a trigger puller. From time to time, the youngans will make their blocks and the tailbacks (I use the term loosely) will misread the hats. Put a player like T.J. Yeldon or Michael Dyer on this team and we're bowl bound.
We got into this mess because we (a) had some wannabe gangstars (i.e., Mike McNeil, Dakota Mosley, Antonio Goodwin, Shaun Kitchens, along with Dyer) on our team that needed to pay the rent and (b) had some others (i.e., Eric Hart, etc.) that kept bad company. That is six starting upperclassmen, including an entire battery of skills, not suiting up for Auburn.
Regarding IV., I think we signed a lot of recruits based on Internet ratings instead of ***addressing our actual needs and getting players that fit a particular system***
We simply relying on too many young and inexperienced players who are not ready to play at the SEC level.
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Originally posted by AuburnLegacy:
You actually have a reasonable grasp of what is going on.
Unfortunately, II. directly reflects I. We simply lack a capable and experienced offensive line, not to mention a trigger puller. From time to time, the youngans will make their blocks and the tailbacks (I use the term loosely) will misread the hats. Put a player like T.J. Yeldon or Michael Dyer on this team and we're bowl bound.
We got into this mess because we (a) had some wannabe gangstars (i.e., Mike McNeil, Dakota Mosley, Antonio Goodwin, Shaun Kitchens, along with Dyer) on our team that needed to pay the rent and (b) had some others (i.e., Eric Hart, etc.) that kept bad company. That is six starting upperclassmen, including an entire battery of skills, not suiting up for Auburn.
Regarding IV., I think we signed a lot of recruits based on Internet ratings instead of ***addressing our actual needs and getting players that fit a particular system***
We simply relying on too many young and inexperienced players who are not ready to play at the SEC level.
Stupid post for the most part. Of course, it matches most of your other posts. Nobody ever expected Dakota Mosley to start. Most people questioned why we even recruited him. Mike McNeil was average even before his arrest and last year would have been his senior year anyway. I also wonder how in the hell you can think we are a running back away from being a bowl team when quarterback, offensive line, linebacker, and defensive tackle are all bigger problems than our current running backs
I dont even know who Eric Hart is. Are you talking about Eric Mack? Yeah, it is really his fault because some random dude he didnt know shot him while he was just minding his own business.
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As an Auburn fan I'm asking myself the same question and the answer seems to again be politics. Gogue, Dye, and the overly influential alumni are once again looking down the barrel of the gun and no one has the balls to mention the elephant in the room.
Sadly Chizik is not able to compete at the SEC level. Having a good year with Newton made too many believe that he was a great coach when in fact there are many coaches with much less talent who have teams that are winning. As I stated in another post Chizik is a nice guy but he seems to be more of a friend than a coach. We have so much talent yet most of these players are playing like they have just played their first game.
The next big problem is their identity. They really need to go back to playing defensive football. They have been trying for 4 years to figure out what defense and offense they need to play. It seems that they continue to try and discover from week to week what works. It's like they are trying to figure out how to play a different scheme each week.
I for one am so tired of the excuses that the coaches continue to spout after each loss. There is not an issue with youth or inexperience, it's a coaching issue. Then you have the issue with using players that for all intents and purposes should have been held in reserve for playing time. We are staring to use our backup.
Bottom line is Chizik needs to be paid and we need to find an AD that has balls to do what it will take to compete in what is arguably the toughest conference in College Football.
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Well said wayfarer.
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