I go back and forth on this. Waiting until after Saturday does not provide any benefit which could mean the decision really has not been made. What are the AU insiders saying? ( our insiders are about 50-50 so I ask in jest).
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Here is the bottom line for me. Had Auburn simply improved, just a little from the beginning of the year, Chizik could have saved it. However we digressed, he lost the team, they quit, were non aggressive, and went backwards. There is not a TOTAL lack of talent, but there is a total lack of motivation. You simply can't give that another year.
Here is the list from which Auburn should select a new coach. They are in order, as I want them.
1. Jimbo Fisher
2. Larry Fedora
3. Bill Obrian
4. Butch Jones
5. Gus MalzhanThis post was edited on 11/19 8:03 AM by NoogaTiger
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I think your timing for Jimbo is good. The ACC is falling apart and he does not see a path to the NCG at FSU and he knows there is no way the SEC takes FSU ( Fl. has black ball privelages). He would require complete control and that means Pat Dye goes away.
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Originally posted by NoogaTiger:
Here is the bottom line for me. Had Auburn simply improved, just a little from the beginning of the year, Chizik could have saved it. However we digressed, he lost the team, they quit, were non aggressive, and went backwards. There is not a TOTAL lack of talent, but there is a total lack of motivation. You simply can't give that another year.
Here is the list from which Auburn should select a new coach. They are in order, as I want them.
1. Jimbo Fisher
2. Larry Fedora
3. Bill Obrian
4. Butch Jones
5. Gus Malzhan
This post was edited on 11/19 8:03 AM by NoogaTiger
What are the thoughts on Chad Morris due to his relationship with Gus Malzhan?
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Originally posted by tjdisbrow:
Originally posted by NoogaTiger:
Here is the bottom line for me. Had Auburn simply improved, just a little from the beginning of the year, Chizik could have saved it. However we digressed, he lost the team, they quit, were non aggressive, and went backwards. There is not a TOTAL lack of talent, but there is a total lack of motivation. You simply can't give that another year.
Here is the list from which Auburn should select a new coach. They are in order, as I want them.
1. Jimbo Fisher
2. Larry Fedora
3. Bill Obrian
4. Butch Jones
5. Gus Malzhan
This post was edited on 11/19 8:03 AM by NoogaTiger
What are the thoughts on Chad Morris due to his relationship with Gus Malzhan?
Zero chance of him coming here. If we wanted to go in that direction, we would just hire Gus himself. I am pretty sure he would leave Arkansas State for Auburn
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Well, I would think we would go with Gus, before looking at Chad.
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No offense but that is a terrible list of candidates. Auburn needs to hire a proven winner or an up and coming coach. You have to go after the best and move down the list if they say no. Example: Gary Patterson, Chris Peterson, Mike Gundy or even someone like Charlie Strong or Dan Mullen.
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I think Patterson would be a better fit for Arky....Arky needs those Texas kids and Patterson knows Texas.
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Originally posted by scriggs:
No offense but that is a terrible list of candidates. Auburn needs to hire a proven winner or an up and coming coach. You have to go after the best and move down the list if they say no. Example: Gary Patterson, Chris Peterson, Mike Gundy or even someone like Charlie Strong or Dan Mullen.
Gundy is a silghtly better version of Houston Nutt imo. He has only had 1 or 2 good years at Okie State and those years came with a 30 year old quarterback
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Originally posted by scriggs:
No offense but that is a terrible list of candidates. Auburn needs to hire a proven winner or an up and coming coach. You have to go after the best and move down the list if they say no. Example: Gary Patterson, Chris Peterson, Mike Gundy or even someone like Charlie Strong or Dan Mullen.
I agree witht the first two: Patterson and Peterson. If Auburn isn't talking to these guys then there's a REAL problem. They are young enough and have proven they can win with lesser talent. Give them the talent that Auburn has gotten and can get and the sky's the limit. If we keep Jacobs though, he will once again shoot for mediocrity I'm afraid!!!
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Originally posted by AUav8r:
Originally posted by scriggs:
No offense but that is a terrible list of candidates. Auburn needs to hire a proven winner or an up and coming coach. You have to go after the best and move down the list if they say no. Example: Gary Patterson, Chris Peterson, Mike Gundy or even someone like Charlie Strong or Dan Mullen.
I agree witht the first two: Patterson and Peterson. If Auburn isn't talking to these guys then there's a REAL problem. They are young enough and have proven they can win with lesser talent. Give them the talent that Auburn has gotten and can get and the sky's the limit. If we keep Jacobs though, he will once again shoot for mediocrity I'm afraid!!!
Agree and none of those candidates would want to come in and work for an outgoing Prez and an AD that has zero support from the base.
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Originally posted by BamaFan1137:
Originally posted by AUav8r:
Originally posted by scriggs:
No offense but that is a terrible list of candidates. Auburn needs to hire a proven winner or an up and coming coach. You have to go after the best and move down the list if they say no. Example: Gary Patterson, Chris Peterson, Mike Gundy or even someone like Charlie Strong or Dan Mullen.
I agree witht the first two: Patterson and Peterson. If Auburn isn't talking to these guys then there's a REAL problem. They are young enough and have proven they can win with lesser talent. Give them the talent that Auburn has gotten and can get and the sky's the limit. If we keep Jacobs though, he will once again shoot for mediocrity I'm afraid!!!
Agree and none of those candidates would want to come in and work for an outgoing Prez and an AD that has zero support from the base.
If Jay Jacobs was able to get a big name coach, it would obviously improve his support among the fan base. After all, Mal Moore was not exactly very popular before he hired Saban
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I don't know what AU's problem has been this year, but I am pretty sure it isnt lack of talent, how many players on their roster that weren't recruited to some extent by Bama, UGA, UF, FSU or any other top half school in the SEC or ACC? It looks like a team split into two or more factions. CGC seems like a decent enough guy, I know Van Gorder doesn't always play well with others and honestly can't see him caring much for Trooper. Trooper is one of if not the top recruiter in college football, he relates well to many of these kids, they like him alot, but I am not sure they respect him as an authority figure, more of a buddy, I know thats an issue with Martinez or was when he was at UGA. I think most AU fans know Trooper is there for his recruiting ability and not his coaching and it has shown up bigtime this year for AU with their receivers which haven't improved any since the season began. It puts AU at a disadvantage from a coaching standpoint, basically 1 coach down. If there was a position where a guy could recruit and once the kid gets to campus Trooper was to be hands off, that would be perfect for him.
But it seems you guys are being realistic about your coaching hire, what about James Franklin from Vandy? He has done more with less than any coach in the SEC, going to win 5 games in the SEC this year, be bowl eligible for 2nd year in a row and with a bowl win could win 9 games at Vandy.
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Originally posted by ohsfan28:
Originally posted by BamaFan1137:
Originally posted by AUav8r:
Originally posted by scriggs:
No offense but that is a terrible list of candidates. Auburn needs to hire a proven winner or an up and coming coach. You have to go after the best and move down the list if they say no. Example: Gary Patterson, Chris Peterson, Mike Gundy or even someone like Charlie Strong or Dan Mullen.
I agree witht the first two: Patterson and Peterson. If Auburn isn't talking to these guys then there's a REAL problem. They are young enough and have proven they can win with lesser talent. Give them the talent that Auburn has gotten and can get and the sky's the limit. If we keep Jacobs though, he will once again shoot for mediocrity I'm afraid!!!
Agree and none of those candidates would want to come in and work for an outgoing Prez and an AD that has zero support from the base.
If Jay Jacobs was able to get a big name coach, it would obviously improve his support among the fan base. After all, Mal Moore was not exactly very popular before he hired Saban
That is true but I'm not sure Mal was ever this unpopular. I was ready for him to retire but it never got this bad in terms of football performance or performance of the entire athletic department. I never wanted him fired, I just wanted him to retire on his own and really wanted Ozzie Newsome to take his spot.
No flame meant, this is actually a pretty decent discussion here, but the real issue is that your AD and Prez are pretty much lame ducks. If a big name guy is hired he will end up being the last admins choice. It's not an untenable circumstance but it's not ideal either.
My only point is that this situation won't help Auburn land the coach they want. Clearly the best case scenario for Auburn would be to "allow" JG to retire a year early (01/01/13 instead of sometime in 2014) and fire JJ immediately. Hire one of the AD's who absolutely loves Auburn and then hire the best coach you can.
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You must be kidding when you say the bammer situation wasnt this bad prior to Saban. You went through 3 or 4 coaches who were all disasters.
Mike DuBose only won more than 7 games 1 time. He also brought on all kind of scandal by screwing his secretary and paying fat Albert Means
Dennis Franchione also only won more than 7 games 1 time. Of course, he only stayed for 2 years before bringing further embarrassment on bammer by leaving for Texas A&M
Mike Price was obviously an embarrassment
Mike Shula only won 6 games more than 1 time and brought on more probation
As bad as the situation is with Chizik, he won a national championship and won at least 8 games every year prior to this year
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Originally posted by ohsfan28:
You must be kidding when you say the bammer situation wasnt this bad prior to Saban. You went through 3 or 4 coaches who were all disasters.
Mike DuBose only won more than 7 games 1 time. He also brought on all kind of scandal by screwing his secretary and paying fat Albert Means
Dennis Franchione also only won more than 7 games 1 time. Of course, he only stayed for 2 years before bringing further embarrassment on bammer by leaving for Texas A&M
Mike Price was obviously an embarrassment
Mike Shula only won 6 games more than 1 time and brought on more probation
As bad as the situation is with Chizik, he won a national championship and won at least 8 games every year prior to this year
Mike DuBose = Terry Bowden
Dennis Franchone = Brother Oliver
Mike Shula = Doug Barfield
You get the point. Both have had good hires and bad. Both have underachieved more often than we would like to talk about.
But because what AU is going through now.....right in front of our eyes....it seems worse.
Based on Chatter today I still believe Dr. G. is considering keeping GC. May be a long shot but do not rule it out.
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Originally posted by botswana2011:
Originally posted by ohsfan28:
You must be kidding when you say the bammer situation wasnt this bad prior to Saban. You went through 3 or 4 coaches who were all disasters.
Mike DuBose only won more than 7 games 1 time. He also brought on all kind of scandal by screwing his secretary and paying fat Albert Means
Dennis Franchione also only won more than 7 games 1 time. Of course, he only stayed for 2 years before bringing further embarrassment on bammer by leaving for Texas A&M
Mike Price was obviously an embarrassment
Mike Shula only won 6 games more than 1 time and brought on more probation
As bad as the situation is with Chizik, he won a national championship and won at least 8 games every year prior to this year
Mike DuBose = Terry Bowden
Dennis Franchone = Brother Oliver
Mike Shula = Doug Barfield
You get the point. Both have had good hires and bad. Both have underachieved more often than we would like to talk about.
But because what AU is going through now.....right in front of our eyes....it seems worse.
Based on Chatter today I still believe Dr. G. is considering keeping GC. May be a long shot but do not rule it out.
Terry Bowden was nowhere near as bad as DuBose. Bowden won at least 8 games every year except his final year. Bowden was 46-12 going into his final year at Auburn and finished his Auburn career with a 47-17 record. DuBose finished his bammer career with 24-23 record
Bill Oliver was never a permanent head coach at Auburn and Doug Barfield was so long ago I dont even remember him
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Originally posted by ohsfan28:
Originally posted by botswana2011:
Originally posted by ohsfan28:
You must be kidding when you say the bammer situation wasnt this bad prior to Saban. You went through 3 or 4 coaches who were all disasters.
Mike DuBose only won more than 7 games 1 time. He also brought on all kind of scandal by screwing his secretary and paying fat Albert Means
Dennis Franchione also only won more than 7 games 1 time. Of course, he only stayed for 2 years before bringing further embarrassment on bammer by leaving for Texas A&M
Mike Price was obviously an embarrassment
Mike Shula only won 6 games more than 1 time and brought on more probation
As bad as the situation is with Chizik, he won a national championship and won at least 8 games every year prior to this year
Mike DuBose = Terry Bowden
Dennis Franchone = Brother Oliver
Mike Shula = Doug Barfield
You get the point. Both have had good hires and bad. Both have underachieved more often than we would like to talk about.
But because what AU is going through now.....right in front of our eyes....it seems worse.
Based on Chatter today I still believe Dr. G. is considering keeping GC. May be a long shot but do not rule it out.
Terry Bowden was nowhere near as bad as DuBose. Bowden won at least 8 games every year except his final year. Bowden was 46-12 going into his final year at Auburn and finished his Auburn career with a 47-17 record. DuBose finished his bammer career with 24-23 record
Bill Oliver was never a permanent head coach at Auburn and Doug Barfield was so long ago I dont even remember him
All coaches are hired to be fired. Most fan bases love em and then hate em. My point is I recall Dubose and Shula and they were bad but as the earlier poster said there is reason to believe what is going on at AU is much worse and the reason it is worse might be because it is in the now.
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Originally posted by ohsfan28:
You must be kidding when you say the bammer situation wasnt this bad prior to Saban. You went through 3 or 4 coaches who were all disasters.
Mike DuBose only won more than 7 games 1 time. He also brought on all kind of scandal by screwing his secretary and paying fat Albert Means
Dennis Franchione also only won more than 7 games 1 time. Of course, he only stayed for 2 years before bringing further embarrassment on bammer by leaving for Texas A&M
Mike Price was obviously an embarrassment
Mike Shula only won 6 games more than 1 time and brought on more probation
As bad as the situation is with Chizik, he won a national championship and won at least 8 games every year prior to this year
No, I'm not kidding. Our on field performance and the performance of our athletic department was never this bad and never this dysfunctional. Not just in terms of W's and L's but with personal and business relationships. I'm not trying to spin that he was doing a great job because clearly he wasn't. He did a great job with capital building projects and with other sports but it wasn't going well with football. Having said that, our football teams didn't look like the 2012 Auburn team. If it had, he would have been fired.
I hope this doesn't turn into our typical pecker measuring contest. That wasn't my intent above and that's why I made sure to add "no flame." I do agree, IF he can make a great big hire, all could be forgiven but that's what I'm doubting. I'm doubting a great hire would want to step into the situation right now because of JJ's future. Mal's performance did have us nearly as much up in arms as JJ's has Auburn fans. It just isn't the same feeling and I think you know that as well.
Also, I think all parties involved felt when Saban was hired that Mal would soon retire. Not in shame and not forced out but because of his age and because of his wife. I'm honestly surprised he's still there. He's still there because he is great at raising money and because he knows how to stay out of Saban's way.
FTR, Mal did NOT hire Mike Dubose. He inherited him though; Dubose was hired when Mal was one of the Assistant AD's.
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You are full of crap. Several bammers teams looked just as bad. Mike DuBose had one team that went 3-8 and another that went 4-7. Mike Shula went 4-9 his first year. You lost to Louisiana Tech twice, Northern Illinois once, and Louisiana Monroe once. You can also spare me the bs about the business relationships, because Malfunction Moore only became the athletic director at bammer in the first place because of his relationship with the good ole boy network. After all, he was appointed bammer athletic director by crooked boosters like Logan Young and Drunk Bryant Jr. Of course, bammers might not have not complained about those things as much, but that is only because bammers basically dont care how crooked their football program is as long as they win
I am not necessarily giving him the credit for it, but the supposed ineptitude of Auburn's football program under Jay Jacobs has been greatly exaggerated by the frustration of this year. Jay Jacobs first became Auburn's athletic director in 2004 and the football program had won 75% of their games with two undefeated seasons, two SEC championships, and 1 national championship prior to this year. bammers football program had nowhere near that much success under Malfunction Moore prior to Saban
This post was edited on 11/19 10:45 PM by ohsfan28
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Why so angry? Seriously, you are an angry wittle fella hahaha.
Our athletic program was never as bad as Auburn's situation. nobody GAS about what happened 8 years ago. We are talking about today. The here and now. Outside of swimming, what do you have that is successful? What can you point at and say, at least we have ____ season?
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Originally posted by SP105:
Why so angry? Seriously, you are an angry wittle fella hahaha.
Our athletic program was never as bad as Auburn's situation. nobody GAS about what happened 8 years ago. We are talking about today. The here and now. Outside of swimming, what do you have that is successful? What can you point at and say, at least we have ____ season?
Just cause one of you bammers keep saying this doesnt make it true. And bammer had never won a national championship in any sport outside of football and women's gymnastics prior to last year
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Originally posted by ohsfan28:
And bammer had never won a national championship in any sport outside of football and women's gymnastics prior to last year
Are we supposed to be ashamed of this? I think your LBS is showing - agian.
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While Ohs whines more than anyone I've seen on a message board, some of you guys are almost as bad and seem to thrive off of "feeding" him. JMHO I'm sure I just opened myself up for ridicule, but I really wasn't trying to be an a$$.
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and no offense taken.
However, of your list, only Gary Patterson would be a good viable candidate. I would take him.
However with the exception of Peterson at Boise , the other three are no more Proven than the list I gave you
I do not want Mullen, Strong, or Gundy, I am not a believer in those three for the long run over Jimbo or Obrien, or Fedora, and I don't think there is a chance in Hades for Peterson from Boise to Auburn . I could be wrong, but I don't think he would come.
Obrien has NFL experience, and has done a great job at Penn State , despite the circumstances. I think he would be much, much of an improvement over Chizik, and brings credibility, and could get more out of our players.
Jimbo is winning at Florida State , and they have a really good defense. He has coached at Auburn , LSU, and has had success, winning at both places as a coodinator. He has turned the FSU program back around.
Larry Fedora is a proven commodity himself. He was a winner in his four years at Southern Miss, and he won his bowl game against Houston last year, against TAMU, while Kevin Sumlin was still at TAMU. He has a winning season at NC, and will make them better.
Even Gus is a winner at Arkansas State , I would take him over Dan Mullen any day.
Lastly however, If we hire Bobby Petrino, gets your axes and pitchforks and torches ready, because we will have to storm the swamp down there and clean it out.
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Originally posted by AUav8r:
While Ohs whines more than anyone I've seen on a message board, some of you guys are almost as bad and seem to thrive off of "feeding" him. JMHO I'm sure I just opened myself up for ridicule, but I really wasn't trying to be an a$$.
Please point out all the whining I have done in this thread. I will wait patiently
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Originally posted by ohsfan28:
Originally posted by AUav8r:
While Ohs whines more than anyone I've seen on a message board, some of you guys are almost as bad and seem to thrive off of "feeding" him. JMHO I'm sure I just opened myself up for ridicule, but I really wasn't trying to be an a$$.
Please point out all the whining I have done in this thread. I will wait patiently
OK, maybe "whining" was a poor choice of words. Maybe I should have just been more honest and stated that you appear to be an angry, bitter, agitator who really loves to argue. Maybe not specifically in this thread, but in general. There are plenty here who egg you on, but it's really painful to witness at times. I am in no way defending some of their behavior, but they have their CT69's and we have our ohs...
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I do enjoy giving grief to or trolling all the bammer trolls who come here just to stir up trouble or conflict. All of virtually all of the bammers on this board are trolls just looking to stir up trouble or conflict in my opinion
Numerous fans from other schools dont like the bammers, and LSU fans even went so far as to beg their mods to keep the entire bammer fan base off their board a few weeks ago due to their massive stupidity. However, I will try to remember in the future that we should not only give bammers a place to spew their idiocy, but we should suffer their idiocy in complete silence and not say or post anything that will ruffle their feathers or upset them in any way
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Originally posted by ohsfan28:
You are full of crap. Several bammers teams looked just as bad. Mike DuBose had one team that went 3-8 and another that went 4-7. Mike Shula went 4-9 his first year. You lost to Louisiana Tech twice, Northern Illinois once, and Louisiana Monroe once. You can also spare me the bs about the business relationships, because Malfunction Moore only became the athletic director at bammer in the first place because of his relationship with the good ole boy network. After all, he was appointed bammer athletic director by crooked boosters like Logan Young and Drunk Bryant Jr. Of course, bammers might not have not complained about those things as much, but that is only because bammers basically dont care how crooked their football program is as long as they win
I am not necessarily giving him the credit for it, but the supposed ineptitude of Auburn's football program under Jay Jacobs has been greatly exaggerated by the frustration of this year. Jay Jacobs first became Auburn's athletic director in 2004 and the football program had won 75% of their games with two undefeated seasons, two SEC championships, and 1 national championship prior to this year. bammers football program had nowhere near that much success under Malfunction Moore prior to Saban
This post was edited on 11/19 10:45 PM by ohsfan28
Yep, this was the "pecker measuring" post I was trying to avoid. Somehow I upset you and now you've gone into full spin, deflect and anger mode so there's no point in continuing this discussion.
In closing, imo, Auburn would be better off if both Jays left. You disagree (I think...unless your issue was Mal was just as bad as JJ...which matters how in this discussion???). I can live with that.
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Nooga, your list is old and you make solid points, but Jimbo would be a bad hire. Underachiever imo
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Follow up questions....Looks like 2013 committs are bailing if Chiz gets fired. What percent does this help Chiz with Dr. G.?
Should it matter?
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As great as the top-half of their recruiting class is for next year so far, it'd be kind of foolish to keep a coach who has done poorly because of some outstanding recruits who have verbally committed. Especially when Auburn likely won't be all that great next year, and Chizik very well could be in the same situation that he is now.
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